Harassers on Wikipedia – why do they do it?

[Note: this is split off from the comment section on CSinders (WMF) leaves WMF to work on feminist chatbot art.]

Assigning motivation is always tricky.  How do you know someone’s intentions? Usually, by what they say and what they do. Unfortunately, harassers on Wikipedia are rarely so loquacious or so self-aware.

Failing that, one must resort to a crystal ball. Here are a few explanations from Renée Bagslint

The ‘snout in the trough’ explanation

I think it might help to understand some of the issues about working on Wikipedia, and why some people are keen to place obstacles in the way of others. Fundamentally, a good reputation on Wikipedia is an asset, and a valuable one at that. It gives you some measure of control over what the public sees about issues you might want to promote a particular view of — and it gives you access to the various grants, subsidies, slush funds and decently paid undemanding jobs that have been funded by people who are under a complete misapprehension about what their money is used for.

Discrimination, intentional or otherwise

Is it any wonder that the in-group wants to control access to those desirable things, and seeks to perpetuate its own privileged position? Is it any wonder, in partcular, that an in-group of any kind would find itself consciously and unconsciously framing that access to the advantage of people like the existing in-group, and to the disadvantage of people not like themselves?

Control freaks, also, because no one is watching

Is it any wonder that given power without responsibility or accountability some people exercise that power capriciously for the sheer pleasure of exercising power over other human beings? Wy would any of this be a surprise?

Of course the question then becomes, what if anything do you want to do about it? Get your snout in the trough as deeply as possible? Widen access to the trough to a more varied set of snouts? Blow up the trough? Or just walk away leaving it to die and rot?

If this isn’t true, it should be.

The field of psychology might also give us some insight.  This Wapo piece “What makes some men sexual harassers? Science tries to explain the creeps of the world.” has some research into sexual harassment that might (or might not) apply to other types of harassment.

This suggests strongly that the “cultural shift” frequently recommended by SUSA is bogus, and that the most effective way to deal with harassment is to make it hard to get away with.  By the way, if you tell (and show) people harassment is not acceptable in Wikipedia culture, by making them game the system to do it, this IS a cultural shift. .

Some takeaway points:

  • the most distinctive in harassers: a lack of empathy, a belief in traditional gender sex roles and a tendency toward dominance/authoritarianism.
  • “If you take men who score high on the scale and put them in situations where the system suggests they can get away with it, they will do it,”  “Impunity plays a large role.”
  • power makes you more impulsive. It makes you less worried about social conventions and less concerned about the effect of your actions on others,”
  • people who see themselves as wealthier were more likely to cut pedestrians off on a crosswalk. Another found that those who felt powerful were even more likely to take candy from children
  • powerful people become more focused on themselves, more likely to objectify others and more likely to overestimate how much others like them
  • “It becomes a kind of solipsism. You think what’s inside your head is true about the world around you,”
  • people in leadership often pick up phantom sexual signals from subordinates that aren’t really there
  • at the end of the project, those who were appointed leaders were much more likely to have perceived sexual interest from their subordinates
  • a feminist structural reading of such harassment: that harassment often serves as a vehicle to exert dominance and put women in their place.
  • “we know from gender research that men are more aggressive, more socialized to seek sex and believe they have a right to it.”


[If you can’t get past the paywall, this is the text minus the videos and quiz which is here: Quiz: How likely are you to sexually harass? Take this scientific test]

What makes some men sexual harassers? Science tries to explain the creeps of the world.

by William Wan December 22, 2017


Accusations of sexual harassment and coercion have been pouring out about powerful men like Harvey Weinstein (above), Charlie Rose and Mario Batali. Psychologists and recent research offer answers for why some men engage in such behavior. (Reuters/Steve Crisp)

The list of alleged sexual harassers keeps getting longer and the details of sexual assault and harassment ever more disturbing. The torrent of cases pouring out in news reports and Twitter — tales of men grabbing women, emerging naked from showers uninvited, threatening women’s careers, or worse — raises a horrified question: What makes these men behave this way?

Sure, some of the behavior can be chalked up to boorish personalities or outright misogyny. But how much of the behavior is driven by the man himself and how much by the culture around him? What exactly makes one man more likely to harass than another? And what is going on inside their heads when they make unwanted advances?
These are questions that social scientists and psychologists have puzzled over in recent years. And their growing body of research has yielded interesting and at times provocative answers, which are especially relevant in this cultural moment.

What causes some men to harass and not others?

For more than three decades, John Pryor has tried to come up with an answer to this question. As one of the pioneers in the study of sexual harassment, Pryor developed a test in 1987 to measure a man’s tendency to harass. Called the “Likelihood to Sexually Harass” scale, Pryor’s test has become a cornerstone of research on sexual harassers.

His test consists of 10 scenarios. Imagine that you are an executive hiring a new secretary, one scenario starts out. A female candidate explains she desperately needs the job and looks at you in a way that possibly conveys she is attracted to you. How likely are you to give her the job? Offer the job in exchange for sexual favors? Ask her to go to dinner to discuss the job?

Over the years, Pryor — a psychologist at Illinois State University — and others have used socially engineered situations in laboratories to study how well the test predicts people’s behavior. And over time, they’ve identified these factors as the most distinctive in harassers: a lack of empathy, a belief in traditional gender sex roles and a tendency toward dominance/authoritarianism.

They also found in studies that the environment surrounding such harassers has a huge effect, Pryor said in a phone interview.

“If you take men who score high on the scale and put them in situations where the system suggests they can get away with it, they will do it,” he said. “Impunity plays a large role.”

Time magazine has named the “Silence Breakers” of the #MeToo movement as its Person of the Year. (AFP photo/Time Inc./Billy & Hells)

Why are people in positions of power so often doing the harassing?

In recent years, a growing body of research has shown how power warps one’s perception of others and alters people’s behavior.

“In study after study, we’re seeing that power makes you more impulsive. It makes you less worried about social conventions and less concerned about the effect of your actions on others,” said Dacher Keltner, a psychology professor at the University of California at Berkley.

One of Keltner’s experiments, for example, found that people who see themselves as wealthier were more likely to cut pedestrians off on a crosswalk. Another found that those who felt powerful were even more likely to take candy from childrenOther experiments have shown that powerful people become more focused on themselves, more likely to objectify others and more likely to overestimate how much others like them.

“It becomes a kind of solipsism. You think what’s inside your head is true about the world around you,” Keltner said. “Someone like Harvey Weinstein may think ‘I’m so horny right now, so the whole world must feel that way.’ ”

What makes these men think women want to see all that? 

One of the most puzzling and icky details from the recent string of high-profile cases is this signature move of several powerful men: Exposing themselves to women, apparently with the expectation that those women are attracted to them or will be once they see their bodies.

There is, surprisingly, a scientific explanation for this. A particularly eye-opening 2011 study found that people in leadership often pick up phantom sexual signals from subordinates that aren’t really there.

The experiment designed by Jonathan Kunstman and Jon Maner took 78 adults and paired them with a member of the opposite sex. Those pairs were assigned a Lego-building project, with one person put in charge of the other. In private interviews at the end of the project, those who were appointed leaders were much more likely to have perceived sexual interest from their subordinates, even when the subordinate said in surveys that they had no sexual interest at all.

When researchers studied video of most pairs interacting, they found the leaders much more likely to act on that misperception, touching the subordinate’s leg or engaging in eye gazing.

“Power creates this perfect mental storm for misconduct,” said Kunstman, an experimental social psychologist at Miami University in Ohio. “This tendency to overperceive romantic interest can lead to a feeling of freedom to touch, which can then lead to misconduct.”

So what are these men really after? Sex or dominance?

“The hackneyed phrase everyone always says about sexual harassment is that it’s not really about sex, it’s about power,” said Illinois researcher Pryor. “But that’s not really true. It’s about both.”

In recent years, psychologists trying to understand the relationship between power and sex have found that, for many men who score high on the harassment scale, the two ideas are often intertwined.

“They are two sides of the same coin and so strongly fused that it’s impossible to cleave them apart,” Pryor said. “If these men have power over someone, they find it difficult not to have those sexual ideas come to mind. And more they think about it, the more that association is reinforced.”

Why is it almost always men doing the harassing?

There’s a statistical answer for this: The way our society stands now, with all its flaws, discriminatory biases, and historical and cultural baggage, there remain many more men in leadership positions than women. (At least one woman in a position of power, however, has recently been accused of harassing a male subordinate.)

There’s also a feminist structural reading of such harassment: that harassment often serves as a vehicle to exert dominance and put women in their place.

But behavioral science has also shown there are behavioral differences between the sexes, said Louise Fitzgerald, a psychologist at University of Illinois at Urbana Champaign.

“It’s not like women are somehow immune from dark personality traits,” she said, “but we know from gender research that men are more aggressive, more socialized to seek sex and believe they have a right to it.”

How likely is the #MeToo movement to change anything?

Fitzgerald, who has spent three decades studying the devastating effects of sexual harassment, is surprisingly pessimistic about the current movement producing momentous change.

“I remember thinking the same thing during the Clarence Thomas hearings, that the cultural moment had come and everything would change,” she said. “But here we are 20-some years later when people are suddenly rediscovering yet again that sexual harassment exists.”

The cases now making headlines, she noted, largely involve high-profile folks in Hollywood and media. “Will that have an effect on the woman being harassed at her job at Walmart or on the factory floor? I don’t know.”

But one thing the #MeToo movement may be changing is the stigma of sexual assault and harassment, said Pryor, the longtime harassment researcher. “The #MeToo movement shows just how common these experiences are. And that may take away the silence that often allows the harassment to be hidden.”

Another important byproduct of the #MeToo movement may be increased interest in sexual harassment research, say Pryor, Fitzgerald and others.

When Pryor began studying sexual harassment in the 1980s, there was little support for the work. Pryor funded many of his earliest studies himself, and had to work in his spare time to develop research like his “Likelihood to Sexually Harass” scale. In the decades since, the situation has improved but only marginally, said Pryor, now semi-retired.

“With everything we’re seeing now, that will hopefully change — maybe too late to make a difference in my career — but for others this could be a turning point,” he said.

Read more:

Why are people still racist? What science says about America’s race problem.

President Trump and accusations of sexual misconduct: The complete list

Eight women say Charlie Rose sexually harassed them — with nudity, groping and lewd calls

The growing list of sexual harassment scandals, as satirized in cartoons

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