Maggie Dennis hires María Sefidari

[now with extra crispy UPDATES…and finally, at long last, the denouement.]

No sooner did Sefidari resign as board chair, than the WMF turned around and hired her.

The mailing list has exploded.

https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org/thread/PFOBFWCBFACRGY3OMXAQG54ALPXGT3K3/

Genderdesk prediction: a done deal

The funny thing is, in spite of all the rhetoric about doing a proper search for candidates, Sefidari is probably the best qualified person for the job. Outsiders just don’t do well with this environment. And don’t you just hate interviewing for a job when they have already picked their candidate behind the scenes, but have to go through the motions to exhibit “fairness”?

They have short-circuited the criticism by promising a public discussion on the next office hours that had originally been scheduled for Maggie to talk about whatever it is that was supposed to get talked about. No more typing, no more mailing list, they are going for the face-to-face to diffuse the situation. They are getting very good at this.

Edit…

Just thinking out loud here, …

There was Anna Stillwell, Wikimedia’s Chargée d’Affaire, hired on by Katherine to answer Rogol’s* interminable trolling on the mailing list . *[See “Rogol trolls the Wikimedia mailing list“] https://diff.wikimedia.org/2017/02/27/talent-culture-senior-leadership/ Actually it was an internal promotion to some Vice President title, but I don’t recall any job search, it was more like the CEO choosing a personal staff assistant.

Same with her chief of staff, what’s-his-name. More of a personal selection. But the top executive gets to hire their own personal assistant, isn’t that how it works?

But as it has been pointed out before, the WMF now has a leadership void, similar to the astrological concept of the moon being “void of course”, or not under the influence of a particular sign. In astrology, that’s a bad thing, you want to make decisions that are aligned with the stars, much as obeying a feudal lord. But in an organization I should think the opposite would be true: in the absence of a Strong Man, alliances can be made, and Things can be accomplished, although it takes a great deal of coordination and consensus building, all of which Wikipedia insiders have in abundance.

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EDIT…

More thinking out loud…

When the board hired Lila, Sue stayed to help with onboarding. But Gardner was going from one paid position to another, while Sefidari has been expected to work for free.  Still, no one said boo.

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What about Doc James?

On the mailing list they are talking about Wikia (now Fandom), and how all the Pokemon stuff got kicked off of Wikipedia and had to move to Wikia, which is supposedly one of the few ways Jimbo makes money. They are saying Wikipedia develops the software at great cost, and Wikia/Fandom uses it for free.

So now we have pricing information for pharmaceuticals kicked off of Wikipedia, and Doc James forming a corporation of some sort to host the information.  https://wikiprojectmed.wordpress.com/ https://www.linkedin.com/search/results/all/?keywords=Wiki%20Project%20Med%20Foundation

A thoughtful reader has provided the link to Doc James’ website that I was unable to find: https://mdwiki.org/wiki/Main_Page

“While we are incorporated in New York State and tax exempt in the United States we are a global group.” https://www.hifa.org/support/supporting-organisations/wiki-project-med-foundation

Board

We formed our provisional board of 9 experienced and diverse members from the movement.

Some interesting names on there. RexxS for one, he seems to have disappeared from the WikiSphere, but is he still active in Doc James’ project?

And what a sausagefest.

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And what about Denny Vrandečić, former community-elected board member and “co-developer of Semantic MediaWiki and Wikidata, now the lead developer of the Abstract Wikipedia project, and an employee of the Wikimedia Foundation as a Head of Special Projects, Structured Content.” https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denny_Vrande%C4%8Di%C4%87

You don’t see anyone jumping up and down about that one. And I bet anything he is making more than they are offering María Sefidari Huici, and I bet he did waaaay less work on the board, because it is always the women who take up the slack in volunteer organizations. You won’t hear Wikipediocrazy calling any of these dudes “grifters” either, a word I have never heard of before, but apparently means “woman who dares to receive a paycheck”.

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It looks like chief legal beagle Amanda Keton has dropped the gender markers from the sig, at least on the mailing list. In fact, almost no one seems to be using them.  It must have been a Katherine thing.  https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org/message/GOCGXFUNK4AEMD4RBKN3EHUGQXGLJAFA/

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Just noticed all the smiley faces in the original post.

Is this funny for some reason? How is “hello all” or “foundation consultant” supposed to be funny, or non-serious.  Or is it some kind of Non-Threatening Leadership Strategies for Women thing? 🙂 Or maybe this is just how the legal department is communicating these days. 🙂 🙂 I wonder if they are reading this. 🙂 🙂 🙂 Probably not 😛 😦 XD 💩 [Oh drat it looks like genderdesk has got emojis enabled. My Evil Twin is going to have to get on that.] 😂  😎

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Hmmm…



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Dan Szymborski, and that’s a knife in his hand

Oh dear sweet Jesus, look who is back. Dan Szymborski.

Szymborski once made a baseball betting prediction system, now obsolete, and has been coasting on his reputation ever since. This guy made a couple of edits back in 2009 and now considers himself an expert on Wikipedia. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Dan_Szymborski

Back then, he couldn’t even figure out how to sign his name, or be bothered with setting up a user page.  It’s still a red link.

But that doesn’t stop him from posting to the mailing list.

Does anyone else see the irony in making your living on the cusp of baseball and gambling, then lecturing a non-profit, open-source, volunteer-driven organization on ethics?

Not Wikipediocrazy, that’s for sure. They quoted the post, but not the signature. Ah, but maybe they do see the irony after all, if they are trying to conceal the author.

Maybe it’s time for a little archiving, since the Wikicrazies are now referring to the WMF’s chief counsel as a pig and their former board chair as “corrupt”… “mob-style”….

Did we ever get any receipts for that from W-crazy?  Nope. But they continue to publish this stuff, based on the say-so of some anonymous guy on their forum who thinks he saw something incriminating in another screed, written by another anonymous guy on Breitbart.  No one can say exactly what it is, of course. Why does Wikipediocracy continue to carry water for Steve Bannon at this late date. Except maybe ZOMG LESBOS!!!1!

Is a woman’s reputation worth anything?

Maybe it’s time for a little archiving. “Maria Sefidari Huici to step down”: https://archive.is/wip/YS1Vp

TBH, and realistically, the chances of this are not the best, but I would like to see WP sue someone on behalf of LH; the diehards will not believe it is Fake News until that happens.

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So what happens to an organization’s “institutional memory” when a board member leaves? And the CEO. In this case, it was a fairly popular CEO, and a board member elected by “the community”. Does the WMF expect the new people to start from the beginning, or is there some process of onboarding?

I can see the issue with sports, and gambling, that an institution set up to regulate those industries and prevent fraud should not be a revolving door between the industry and the regulators.  You don’t want players to throw a game, or control a point spread, or have slot machines that are set not to pay off, and yeah, it happens, I know this guy….

But how does that apply to a non-profit?  Is Las Vegas going to freak out if a certain number of articles aren’t written?  Or if male Wikipedians are not allowed to sexually accost the women?  The board is set up to protect the WMF, not regulate it. So maybe now we have a Wikipedian who just happens to be female, who has gained some valuable skills by volunteer work with the organization, and who now has something they need. A man would never have been questioned.  A man would probably have already found a way to get paid for what he was doing. A man who had been doing what Sefidari has been doing, for free, and as a volunteer for all these years, would be the new CEO already.

Dudes, just pay her already.

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In the meantime, how is that there Strategy coming along?  This is why they want Sefidari.

Headed up by a white dude named “Quim“.  Not good optics. (Although he seems very nice. Oh no he is this same one — who has a history of enabling anti-semitism and doxing.  I had forgotten the “raped by Jewish ponies” episode. https://genderdesk.wordpress.com/2021/04/02/maggie-explains-the-new-strategy-sausagefest/)

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Finally some common sense. Erik Moeller, who has had his share of adventures over the years, but still hangs out at Wikipedia Weekly on occasion, adds some details about his own move from board member to paid employee status. https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org/message/CO2GXTWHRK2OBQPCYGZISM5BEJQRKW33/

It is worth reading in its entirety, but here is a snippet:

The WMF Board did discuss waiting periods previously, both when I was
a member [1] (I was in support of a symmetrical 6 month waiting
period) and after [2]. WMF ultimately did not implement such a policy,
nor did it adhere to one informally when it hired me after I left the
Board in late 2007. (I’ve had no involvement with the org since 2015,
nor have I sought it.)

I don’t know if the implementation of a waiting period was discussed
again by the Board in subsequent years. It’s not surprising to me if
the organization is not adhering to it now, since it appears to still
lack such a policy in 2021.

At least in my understanding, this thread conflates a good practice
(waiting periods) with violations of COI policies. As I understand it,
WMF adhered to its existing COI policy through the usual measures
(recusal & resignation from the Board).

The primary purpose of COI policies is to prevent self-dealing.
Typical scenarios described in COI guidelines written from a US
perspective like [3] [4] [5] [6] [7] focus on Board members hiring
relatives, or securing contracts for their own business. They
generally do not _prohibit_ even such transactions outright but
describe how they must be managed. WMUK’s 2012 governance review was,
in part, triggered by a trustee’s Wikimedia-related consulting
activities while on the Board….

Warmly,
Erik

This is “institutional memory” at its finest.

But this bit about affiliates is confusing.  Don’t affiliates seek out board members from the institutions they partner with?  And who these days has paid staff, or board members who are paid staff?  Wikimedia Israel is the only one I am aware of, and they have a huge educational program.   The way I heard it, the WMF has yanked all funding from affiliates, forcing them to go to outsiders for grant monies.  And we all know the old saying about “who pays the piper calls the tune,” so it’s not the WMF’s interests that are being served by the affiliates, but whoever is willing to buy the coffee and bagels. And believe me, you can buy a lot of loyalty for a cup of coffee, or with a sandwich or two when you are in the middle of an editing project, so you don’t have to take a 2-hour break to look for food in an unfamiliar neighborhood.

But the WMF needs someone who knows the Strategy process, plus can work with onboarding when the board changes happen. Is there some qualified candidate waiting in the wings we don’t know about? What is the alternative?  There has been a lot of talk lately about “institutional capture”, Stonewall being a recent example, with former members publicly disavowing the current leadership and organizational direction. Another is Reddit, which was nearly taken over by pedophile enablers. Seriously, Wikipedia needs to look to its mission right now, and remember that IAR is there for a reason.

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And what about penis?  Is this all “because penis” as we like to explain it here, or is it something else.  Well, yes, it is more complicated than that, but also more simple.  But that will have to wait for (probably) tomorrow, as there is only so much I can attend to in one day, and I have reached my limit for today.

How about a saint? We haven’t done one of those for a while. June 28 is the day for Saint Theodochilde or Telchild. As its first Abbess, Theodechilde of Jouarre, she ruled over the double monastery of both men and women, and was granted independence from the local church hierarchy, reporting directly to the pope.  On Wikipedia she is a red link, although her brother, Bishop Agilbert, is included. I will leave the reason for that as a deduction for my devoted readers. She did make it into WikiData and the Italian Wikipedia, so all is not lost.

Theodechilde was also the first cousin of St. Audoin (also known as St. Dado). The cenotaph of Theodechilde, on her crypt, I guess, is supposed to be a key monument of early medieval / Merovingian art.

And who is this?  A saint by the same name, and same feast day, but a totally different story? Different location, different parents, she was the daughter of the king Clovis and Saint Clotilde, but she’s carrying the same church and staff? This saint thing can be a difficult business. Yes, in fact, it looks like there was:

  • St. Theodehilda (also Theodechild, Theodichild, Theodechildis or Techildis), Fndr. of Convent of St. Pierre-le-Vif at Sens and St. Pierre at Mauriac (6th cent.)
  • St. Theodichild (also Theodechilda, Theodechild, Telchildis, Techildis or Theodechildis), Abs. of Jouarre (Seine-et-Marne) (c. 660)

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Denouement

So, this happened on YouTube. (office hours with Amanda Keton, WMF General Counsel) (notes are now here: https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=IRC_office_hours/Office_hours_2021-06-29&oldid=21681205)

Then there was this official announcement from Keton on the mailing list. https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org/message/4WUO2JZ2ZXOGQR2A6TRPW457NRCQNVZ5/ There was mention on the Signpost, with discussion continued at the Village Pump.

TLDR:  Everything had been done according to policy, the main policy impacting board members  being about COI.  In addition, a huge number of people were consulted ahead of time, so this was not exactly an authoritarian thing or some top-down decision.

The big freakout was about the affiliates, and a double standard in requirements for waiting periods, which Keton explained is based on the requirements of U.S. law. That policy will also be under review, along with the COI policy, but not now.

In the meantime, after a brief offline consultation, the contract is cancelled, but not until they all have their summer break. The whole office is about to go on vacation anyhow, so they have kicked the can forward down the road, with various policies to be reviewed later, and left Sefidari watching the store, while they all go to the beach.

And Wikipediocracy?  Still clutching their pearls. They are becoming more and more an anachronism, expecting to get their own way by throwing tantrums, name calling, and the usual bullying.  But their ‘peasants with pitchforks and torches’ routine is starting to get a little stale. They have gotten clueless, to the point where their whole schtick is if the WMF says yes, they say no; if the WMF says no, they say yes.

You cannot run an organization in reaction mode, it is time to put things on a firm policy basis. So, yes to charters, and yes to writing down standard operating procedures, so newcomers can get up to speed quickly, and yes to a Strategy that includes all Wikipedians, not just those who are able to capture some key process that allows them to impede everyone else’s work flow. No to Wikpediocracy’s ‘governance by dramah’.

14 thoughts on “Maggie Dennis hires María Sefidari

  1. Doc James started his WPMEDF in 2013 and it became some kind of WMF affiliate a year or two ago. After he wasn’t allowed to put drug pricing in his articles, he stopped contributing to Wikipedia and ported the medical articles and the meta pages for his project to his own brand new wiki: https://mdwiki.org/wiki/Main_Page .

    I haven’t looked at the articles but I assume drug prices are *everywhere*. And videos! All the videos you could want, I’m sure. I bet there are even videos about drug pricing!

  2. Very nice, thank you, I have added the link to the main text, to make it more searchable, since the comments here are supposed to be “no follow”.

    It doesn’t really look that active, although it might just be selectively curated. If you look at Recent Changes, it has had 10 edits in the last 90 days. There is an article list here: https://mdwiki.org/wiki/WikiProjectMed:List

    I spot-checked a couple of articles for pricing, also for dosages, which they say they welcome, without finding any. Finally there is one here at Oxycodone/paracetamol https://mdwiki.org/wiki/Oxycodone/paracetamol (I see they use the European name paracetamol, which we Americans have never heard of) and another at the linked article for paracetamol https://mdwiki.org/wiki/Paracetamol . I guess I expected more of a comparison between manufacturers, but they just give ballpark figures.

    The last time I consulted Wikipedia for information about pharmaceuticals, the articles had a very specific format, and linked to offsite information about dosages, which I found very useful and that looked very reliable, since it was from a outside source and not editable by the public. Personally I prefer Wikipedia, but since this is very small, and is available in an offline version, maybe it is more portable, more suitable for international or public health applications, or useful in areas with limited electricity or internet connectivity.

  3. Are there any more details you can share about “based on the say-so of some anonymous guy on their forum who thinks he saw something incriminating in another screed, written by another anonymous guy on Breitbart.”

  4. Sure, what do you want to know?

    There are obviously some very triggered people there right now, people who have in the past been capable of being at least somewhat rational. The moderation likewise is allowing them to run off the rails, perhaps because this time the raging and innuendo are directed outwards rather than targeting one of their own back-room insiders, plus it is summer, and they would rather be at the beach than dealing with another diva-quit in the middle of the slow season.

    Is Sefidari doing anything that board members have not done in the past? No. (User:Eloquence is a case in point. And he was selected, not elected.) Is Wikipediocracy outraged about them? No.

    So what is behind the irrational Wikipediocracy hostility towards these particular women? If the Wikipediocrazies had any proofs, is there any doubt there would have been a blog post by now? Links, timelines, so you can check the accuracy for yourself. But what did they show instead? Image after image of LH scraped from Commons, her winsome personality, her quirky smile. And then they dropped a bombshell: someone dug up something with a dedication, from LH to…a woman. She was not accessible to them personally. And the question was asked, over and over, would you trust someone with a smile like this.

    Actually I don’t know if she dates men or not, but it’s not being played that way. This is a pure emotional manipulation, aimed at the lonely, angry boys in the brogrammers ghetto.

    I had to have this fascination with LH explained to me by a straight dude, because honestly I do not see why they are so captivated. But captivated they are, and Wikipediocracy plays them like a fiddle. Finally a woman has wandered into view, and she is not available. But her smile drives them insane. They are angry and irrational, and can be twisted like putty.

    Is that what you wanted to know?

    1. Yes. I’d forgotten the dedication issue.

      I can see the departure from the past. When other romantic or married couples in the Wiki*verse were discussed, there was no implied speculation about whether *someone else* was also a current or former paramour outside the couple. There were facts rather than imagination about others’ bedrooms.

      It seems reflective of pushback within the technology sector against less misogyny and lowering the barriers to entry for broad arrays of skills and backgrounds. So often the objections or trolling, both in the microcosm of Wikipediocracy and the macrocosm, seem based off inchoate emotion. Where is the growth from one’s own initial introduction to “how things are and how they are done?” Where’s the capacity to forge an updated identity and take in new thought? Naming specific inchoate emotions and psychological processes could be a start, but that takes intrapersonal intelligence.

      Nobody should accept lowered standards for what passes for thought.

  5. But emotion is always so much more effective than facts. Especially if you mix in some factoids like the dedication, which would be nearly impossible to fake, or if you can convince people that someone “deserves” to be taken down. Is it okay to punch Nazis? What about child predators? And what if it is done in a skillful and entertaining way, and by someone with a history of going after the “right” targets? Are you still going to spend hours and hours following links and reading RfC’s, when you have just been handed a ready narrative on a platter?

    But I have done just that, and without finding any smoking gun. Plus little things are not adding up, like when Sefidari recused in some matter pertaining to LH and the insiders all wanted to know why. Obviously they were still in the closet. But insiders all knew about, for instance, User:Ironholds, even those WMF employees who were not based in the San Francisco office. But no one said anything publicly, for some reason it was off limits. As you point out, a double standard.

    This artificially created emotional cloud is also masking a larger issue, that of the role of grants and affiliates, which, based on private conversations, I am starting to think LH had a pivotal role in defining, early in Wikipedia’s history. It is only now that these things are starting to get consciously articulated in the Strategy.

  6. I am willing to be convinced that the new Strategy will professionalize grant making. Best practices entail following up on how the money was spent. Was it spent on something unrelated to the grant? Where is the work product? It’s too much money to allow it to be wasted, but many grant makers have no follow-up process at all.

  7. >Am I supposed to fill this out every time? What’s best practice?

    LOL, I have no clue, but it’s free.

    It’s supposed to be set up to approve users who have a previously approved comment (so apparently it thinks you’re past that point now). Also there is a system generated symbol based on … something. I can’t edit that, but I can edit other stuff if you email me or put it in a subsequent comment which I can delete. If you want to be recognized you could use the same user name every time. Maybe there is autofill. You don’t need an email address, but I do occasionally talk to people offline. Socks are allowed but not common practice, although impersonation will be removed. When I comment I am usually signed in to a WordPress account (which you can get for free, with or without a free blog), so that’s what my autofill does.

    I think you will find the WMF does ask for reports from grants, no matter how small, also they do not make grants to anonymous persons. Yet. Of course you can’t make someone fill in a form, especially if they are not getting paid to do so, but you can not release further grant moneys until the paperwork for the previous one is completed. You will also find that sometimes a grant produces no usable product, but this does not seem to be a barrier to receiving further grants.

  8. “Still, no one said boo.”

    That is simply false. There was a lot of stirring on Wikipediocracy when Sue Gardner backed her way into a sweet paid consulting role after stepping down as E.D. But, I understand your hesitancy to give credit where it’s due if it happens on “that other criticism site”.

  9. O hai, “John Limey”, how’s yer dildos coming along over there. Are you still trying to take down genderdesk?

    * https://genderdesk.wordpress.com/2016/06/10/wikipediocracy-stalks-zoe-quinn-with-bomb-threat-predictions-and-dildos/

    * https://genderdesk.wordpress.com/2017/10/03/wikipediocracy-takes-no-prisoners-kohs-fires-off-dmca-against-gender-desk/

    What a combination, Greg Kohs plus “Earthly Astringent” aka “Two kinds of Pork” aka “Little Green Rosetta”. Good times.

    I suppose they’re talking about Tiny Ventures, but as usual no link. But of course it wouldn’t surprise me in the least if Wikipediocrazy was opposed to severance packages for women, or even paychecks for women.

    1. Sorry to have triggered you. Just delete my comments if they cause you to lose sleep, girlfriend.

  10. So, no proof of any lucrative consulting contract or link to a big Wikipediocrazy freakout over Lila getting mentored, so that didn’t happen; the “girlfriend” thing definitely didn’t happen; and you are claiming to be an ambassador from Wikipediocrazy, but do not give any user name so your friends over there, if you still have any, can identify you. That’s zero out of three.

    Plus I’m starting to remember you passed by here a while back, very interested in some user who had an obsessive preoccupation with Jimbo, links to MyWikiBiz, and a fetid-basement user name. https://genderdesk.wordpress.com/2019/06/12/you-rang-the-fram-thing/comment-page-1/#comment-89769

    It’s on the tip of my tongue who that might be, if only I could remember the name.

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